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The Trombone Retreat
The Trombone Retreat
Brawn, Brass and Ball Pits
It's just about Thanksgiving so we have another delicious episode to be thankful for! Have you ever been struck by the strength difference between your left and right arm? We also find ourselves reminiscing about childhood experiences of pilfering balls from ball pits and the shock of static electricity from plastic slides. Plus, we're on the hunt for a title for our podcast series, and we want you to be a part of it.
Diving further into the trombone world, we share a heartwarming story of a septuagenarian who took up the trombone following a dream. Not to mention, we tackle a listener questions and the amazing trombone quora of the week.
As we gear up for Thanksgiving, the conversation turns to the challenges trombone players face in orchestras and our frustrations over conductors failing to make the best use of our time and round it out with new gratitude. Lastly, we bring you up to speed on our podcast updates. Lesssgo!
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Hosted by Sebastian Vera - @js.vera (insta) and Nick Schwartz - @basstrombone444 (insta)
Produced and edited by Sebastian Vera
Music: Firehorse: Mvt 1 - Trot by Steven Verhelst performed live by Brian Santero, Sebastian Vera and Nick Schwartz
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The left arm should get strong of anything. Yeah, the left arm is the beefy one. Yeah, the right arm is getting all the cardio you know. So it should be like lean and cut, with the left arm being like New Jack City.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the left arm is like a large man from Finland named like Magnus Fjörsen, that is, in, the strongest man, and the right arm is, like you know, a Kenyan marathon runner.
Speaker 1:Hello there, welcome. What are you gonna say?
Speaker 2:I thought you're doing your thing, never mind, go on.
Speaker 1:What were you saying? Hello? I was just gonna say hi back. Oh, you thought I was talking to you, that's so nice. Well, I mean, I am talking to you. You're the only one I'm talking to, so you're not wrong.
Speaker 2:That's true, wow.
Speaker 1:We're like we're a well-oiled machine. Episode like 50 or whatever.
Speaker 2:this is Well you want to do your intro now?
Speaker 1:I mean I don't have an intro for this, that's true. That's true. I mean everyone kind of makes fun of me with you know they'll see me in real life and be like welcome to the Trombone Retreat podcast of the third coast Trombone Retreat and they still call it like the third coast podcast, brian Hect. But you know, maybe one day people will know what this is called.
Speaker 2:Well, one can dream a dream, John Sebastian Vera.
Speaker 1:Speaking of what this is called, we had a couple more people message us with ideas for the title of the show. For our side, more weekly short form series that we're doing now. This is the third installment of it. One person sent in Pasonin Around, pasonin Around. It's cute, it's cute. I don't know if that's like a play on words or not. Pasonin Around Po sauna are like. Eight German listeners are like yeah.
Speaker 1:Po sauna, and then one that's like a little bit influenced by our first episode about Trombone's being the best lovers, is the slide in.
Speaker 2:Hmm, the slide in. Well, that also makes me think of like a really quaint bed and breakfast that's trombone themed.
Speaker 1:Or it's like. It's like it's like 24 seven recess and it's just slides everywhere.
Speaker 2:Oh, dude, remember the, the plastic slides like McDonald's and stuff, and how much static I could give you, oh my God. And then you touch one of the rivets and it's like zap.
Speaker 1:One time when I was little, I stole one of the balls from the ball pit and, because I don't know, I wanted it and I got back to the car and halfway home my mom realized I had it and I've never seen her so angry at me before and we promptly had to go back and return said ball, which was probably disgusting and full of like covered in urine.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, that's what I was thinking. Those ball pits probably have so much accidental urine and poop in them.
Speaker 1:But it was mine for that 10 minutes. It was mine. But back to that bed and breakfast because you could like put in your hotel room. It could have like a bunch of different exits which is just like a big shoot or slide in like one's like to breakfast and one's like to your car, one's to the front desk.
Speaker 2:Now, how do you get back up? Is there like a fun way to get back up, or is it just stairs? Yeah, that's kind of complicated.
Speaker 1:There's no way for a slide to go back into your room unless it's like some sort of like amazing technology, that's like an upward slide, like an Escher painting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, that's what I was thinking. So someone invent that bed and breakfast and you'll make a million dollars. So I don't know, nick, we can talk about it, but so some of the main ideas slide in, pass on it around. Fifth position all things rusty, jones and Furibones, and from Alexis in the green room, with my heart, I think the tightest, the cleanest, the it goes with our history of we used to ask this question. I think fifth position solid, I'm just going to say it.
Speaker 2:Hmm, you know, I'm not a soul.
Speaker 1:What is there anyone that you're drawn to? Are you still like I? Select the idea, we put them all out there and we do a poll and see when Nick says these things, he means Sebastian, make a poll, put it on social media, because anytime I try to do anything on social media, I don't spell words good or use grammar good.
Speaker 2:Hey, you know, I got these big old sausage fingers.
Speaker 1:The thing is, we know trombones. If we make a poll and they choose something ridiculous, we might be stuck with that.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm gonna say that only of eternity, only we get to see the results of the poll.
Speaker 1:So I don't think that's true again With your. That's a great expertise.
Speaker 2:Well, if it's on Instagram, yes, everyone sees it. I mean, but I guess that's the only way to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hmm, what's gonna happen is Alexis is gonna like share it to her many followers and Just like lobby everyone to vote for Jones and for a bones, and then I'm gonna have to say Jones and for a bones and all the time, and that brings me a lot of joy. You're gonna have to say it too, that brings me a lot of joy as well.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, I look forward to the poll that you're gonna make on the patreon this month. Patreoncom slash from owner treat. We had a special guest this month, brian Wendell, new principal trombonus of the Cleveland Orksha, talking about Attacking his weaknesses in his routine with our trombone advice video, and we also hung out with Justin Waller in our live After-hours hang, which was kind of ridiculous, and he has some of the best it's.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's people out there that are famous for a Trump impersonation yeah, like celebrities and stuff, I've never heard one as good as his.
Speaker 1:It's unbelievable, ridiculous.
Speaker 2:We might need to bring him on the show just to like, just yeah when he does it, it's like it sounds exactly the cadence, everything it sounds just like Trump.
Speaker 1:We should like have him on and like ask him trombone questions. Ask Donald Trump trombone questions About how he's gonna like support trombonus if he's elected.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. Yeah, well, you know, we now know the guy that we can do that with, but cool.
Speaker 1:So Would you like to hear about what's going on the world in trombone? Google alerts I.
Speaker 2:Want nothing more and expect nothing less.
Speaker 1:Well, I know you're wondering. Trombone shorty is doing stuff. Oh my god, he is. He is out there. Trombone is in his name and there's news written about him. Good for him, because we're fans. He should come on the podcast sometime. If you know trombone shorty, tell him he should come on the podcast. But there's actually a charming story from the Guardian. Was the Guardian the same one that wrote the article about the trombones being the best lovers?
Speaker 2:Um, I think that was the.
Speaker 1:The mirror. That was mirror, because I can't say that word, yeah Well, anyways, english journalism is doing much better about the trombone world. So there's a really lovely article written by Amar Kalia about this woman who at the age of 72? Just had this random urge to learn the trombone. She's a cafe owner, 72 years old, and she just had a dream that she played the trombone and she was having the time of her life. She said there was a jazzy tune on on in the background. I was playing along on a trombone, bending the notes and having a great time, and so when she woke up, she just realized she had to learn the trombone, and I think that is badass.
Speaker 2:Do you know? I have a story that's almost identical to this with us with a student. They had a dream. I had an adult student who, at like 50-something years old, had a vivid dream that he could play the trombone. Had never played an instrument. It was so vivid and so like a pleasurable that he woke up, went straight to Sam Ash and bought, like a student, yamaha trombone and then started seeking out trombone lessons. Well, his sons band director is married to the second Tramones in the ballet and he see, he remembered that for some reason and so reached out to him and he couldn't do it. So he asked if I would teach him. So I taught him and he came and for his first lesson and he was so excited because in his mind it's gonna be like this dream, and of course he. Well, first of all he took open the trombone case and he, right, when he's opening up, I was like no, don't open it that way, open it upside down.
Speaker 2:That's the first lesson in sixth grade, yeah and so he pulls out the trombone and realizes oh my god, this is so much harder than I thought it was gonna be. Yeah, we did let. We had lessons for like six months and he's a great guy.
Speaker 1:But that's crazy that the story is very identical to that one and in his dream Was there a big bearded, formerly mulleted man teaching him the art and ways of the trombone.
Speaker 2:I think that came Later during his daily meditation.
Speaker 1:Oh good yeah cuz Nick makes sure all the students meditate about his lessons every time. Yep, that's good, that's good about all the knowledge you're gonna get from me.
Speaker 2:And and you will.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, check out this article if you want a little feel-good read. Her name is Noreen Davies. It's in the Guardian. That's just, it's horrible. We want some more trombone journalism. Keep it coming. All right, so we have a new question of the week from our audience, dan Morris, our friend Dan Morris. Dan Morris, he wrote in response to last week's episode about we found a trombone quora question about how a trombone would be best used as a weapon. Right, that's right, okay, and we tried to cover the best we could with our vast knowledge of trombone violence. But his question titled trombone violence question was neither of you talked about how you can use it as a blowgun. With poison darts I've shot many a thumbtack a great distance with accuracy through my slide.
Speaker 2:So okay, that's obviously, you take off the outer slide and it's like a pea shooter at that point.
Speaker 1:then oh so it's like literally how pea shooter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like a literal pea shooter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you know anyone that's ever shot a pea of their slide?
Speaker 2:I used to do the spitballs. I'm sure you did too.
Speaker 1:No, I was learning the instrument.
Speaker 2:I shot a lot of spitballs. That's all I can tell you.
Speaker 1:I don't know, thumbtack, that's kind of like, that's like a, that's an actual dangerous so that's what I'm wondering, because you don't get quite a good seal with a thumbtack.
Speaker 2:It wouldn't fill up the whole slide. So I bet you he put it into like a spitball so that you could jam it in there and then put engineering yeah, that's a lot of engineering you inhale too much and you inhale the thumbtack.
Speaker 1:Well, that's always the danger with blowdarts. You know poison darts and you can, and you can mix up all the different types of darts because you know you could have the poison dart. You could have the put them to sleep dart, you could have the, the darts that make them like grow gigantic or really small.
Speaker 2:What is this Alice in Wonderland, all of a sudden?
Speaker 1:I guess you're just not familiar.
Speaker 2:Who's your alchemist? Where do you, where do you get?
Speaker 1:such a tincture. There's a lot of. There's a lot of methods. Okay, I think we covered that one. Thank you, dan. Please send in more questions. Question to the quer is what's what's? What should our question of the week be, nick?
Speaker 2:What's your favorite and least favorite dish for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, and we can tell you if you're right or wrong. That's cool, and so email trombone retreat at gmailcom or message us on the Instagrams or the Facebooks or MySpace. Yeah, our MySpace account is killing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the custom music we have on our home screen.
Speaker 1:What if? What if you decided to like that was your angle like I'm just going to dominate MySpace while everyone's looking the other way. I'm going to create an army on MySpace and just get all the attention.
Speaker 2:Well, first of all, I think we'd have to get MySpace back up and running.
Speaker 1:Is it like? Not even. I mean no way it's running. I actually it's like it's on, but there's it's like doesn't work very well. Like I found my old profile. It's there. Actually I should not tell people to go find that.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I bet you, your MySpace was incredible in high school.
Speaker 1:I mean, you don't really do anything on it except have your top 10, which is my space is up, but it's not really up.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, so weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like kind of there and you can, I couldn't. I guess you could write like your favorite songs. I don't even remember what you did on it.
Speaker 2:You could customize your your home screen where you had like a like a little snippet of a song and like, yeah, you could have. It was kind of like in that way more customizable than a Facebook home page, but also like there's way less stuff you could put on there in general.
Speaker 1:You could put all your favorite emo lyrics and emo songs on it.
Speaker 2:Did Sebi have an emo period period?
Speaker 1:That's, that's another, that's for the people that have known me since college, of course, Let me, let me try to guess.
Speaker 2:Neutral Milk Hotel.
Speaker 1:No, that well, they are pretty great, are they? Are they emo? Okay, what about my chemical?
Speaker 2:romance.
Speaker 1:That was that was a little younger than me. My jam was dashboard confessional. I'm not going to lie. I went to a dashboard confessional concert, I'll confess. Oh, he did it, folks. And he actually, at the very end of the concert he threw his pick and it frisbee through the air like dramatically in slow motion. My arms were crossed.
Speaker 2:Of course they were, because you were like whenever.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, exactly, I was feeling all my feelings at that point in life. I kind of looked up for a second. I saw this thing whirling in the air towards me and I was pretty far back. I swear to God, it landed on my forearm. It just like frisbee through the air, just landed on my forearm and I caught it and it's mine. You were chosen. I lost it. I might have it somewhere. I think I put it somewhere. Then I cried for a bit Screaming and Fidelity's. Okay. So our next segment. We were talking about having gripes, but, like the most obvious thing in the world that a friend pointed out to me is that obviously the segment should be called Bone to Pick. I know that, I know there's a great interview series called that, but this is just focused on our gripe of the week and I think, nick, you have a bone to pick.
Speaker 2:Well, also bone to pick is very on topic for Thanksgiving. Coming up, turquibone, there you go, turquibones.
Speaker 1:Do you have big plans for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2:I cook every year, have friends over.
Speaker 1:Do you have a nutcracker that day?
Speaker 2:No, it starts on Friday, oh nice.
Speaker 1:Are you doing all the cooking? I'm actually going to let someone help you. We're doing all the cooking, but Daniela does the desserts and you're not going to let anyone bring anything. Why? Why would I do that? Because Thanksgiving is a communal activity where people bring things together. It's not a solo performance.
Speaker 2:I like to cook for people. It's my love language, okay.
Speaker 1:That's going to be my bone to pick. Okay, what's yours?
Speaker 2:Okay, turquibone players, we sit around a lot in orchestra, that's a given Mm.
Speaker 1:Hmm, but when conductors oh, you're gearing up, you're, you're upset, I can tell.
Speaker 2:Our ass. Specifically, are we going to get to such and such section which is like An hour away or whatever. In the music this is really much more exaggerated. In opera, everything's longer and we play generally less.
Speaker 1:And you're doing that for the reason of like do I need to be here, Do I need to?
Speaker 2:be here, yeah. And then you sit around and they go oh yeah, of course we're going to get to that section. Yeah, please, please be here. Then you sit around for another two hours In rehearsal ends and you don't play a single note and they don't use you.
Speaker 1:Why it's like, yes, you're getting paid, but and to be devil's advocate, maybe they don't know, but when they act, so sure that they're going to get to your part and they don't. That's bullshit and it's one of those things that A conductor can easily gain, every point he ever needs with a low brass section, guest conductor or permanent conductor, by just like being aware of the fact that often we only play like one movement and thinking ahead about how he's going to rehearse, and maybe like knocking out that movement at the beginning or communicating that like you'll be like the coolest conductor ever, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Or letting the whole orchestra go like 10 minutes early. Oh, oh, genius, instant genius. No, it just yeah. It's like I don't know what it is. Yes, you're getting paid. I know it seems like a stupid thing to get all bent out of shape about, but it's like I don't know. It feels kind of close to disrespectful, even though it's. I don't think it's intentional at all. I really don't. Yeah, and then, akin to that, this has happened I'm sure it's happened to you too where you sit there forever and then you come in and it's not like the best trombone entrance ever, because we've been sitting there for an hour plus and then the conductor is like whoa trombones, and you're like give me, give me a break, dude. Like, while you guys have been out like playing the whole time, we've just been sitting here getting cold, you know. So that's, that's, that's the skill that you have.
Speaker 1:So that's, that's. That's the skill that people don't talk about enough. Can you just like sit there for half an hour and come in on something incredibly important that everyone's going to hear, whether it be incredibly soft or loud or solo, and just be like money, Money, money?
Speaker 2:money. That's the challenge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally. I love the challenge. It's fun, but you know it takes some, some preparation.
Speaker 2:And it takes a little bit of understanding of the why. That's of its own form of difficult. It's difficult to sit there as a string player and play all those notes, of course, but there's also it's a completely apples and oranges thing. It's very difficult to sit there and jump on the moving train and but you're.
Speaker 1:But, but a conductor that, like, plays the piano. I mean, it's just, you just push the button. So why don't you just push the button on your trombone and make it sound good? Exactly.
Speaker 2:I know Sounded good on MIDI.
Speaker 1:Well, nick, I hope that made you feel better to talk about that. Conductors I know so many conductors listen to this. I think the only conductor is your wife, I guarantee she's probably good about that. She's very good about it, so stop it All right Now. Now time for my favorite segment, nicholas, the trombone Quora question of the week. And I have to. I have to admit, the hardest part of my job preparing for this is choosing a Quora question, because the ocean of great trombone Quora questions is endless. Okay, I can't wait. So our trombone weapon question last week was was very helpful for all trombonist when they need to defend themselves in apocalypse. So the trombone Quora question today, and I just really like how this was written. Why don't professional trombone players develop a big, beefy right arm even after years of daily practice?
Speaker 2:Okay, my literal response would be an obvious lack of understanding of that. The right arm doesn't support anything, so why would it get strong? The left arm should get strong of anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the left arm is the beefy one. The right arm is getting all the cardio, you know. So it should be like lean and cut, with the left arm being like New Jack City.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the left arm is like a large man from Finland named Magnus Fjörsen, the strongest man, and the right arm is, like you know, a Kenyan marathon runner.
Speaker 1:Do you name your two biceps?
Speaker 2:Yeah, over here I got Kid Ori and over here You're stealing. Yeah, I am, and on the left side here I got JJ Johnson.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, guys, one day I realized that I don't know if you guys catch this reference I mean, I think it maybe is from Anchorman when he just refers to his Jack O'Leary and something Johnson like his two arms when he's about to get in a fight with someone and I realized that nothing works better than naming your two arms old jazz drum bone player names.
Speaker 2:I mean it does sound intimidating.
Speaker 1:Some Bob Brookmeyer and JJ Johnson have to say about that. It's just, it's endless, it really is. It is Frank Rosalino.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I wonder what that would look like if someone just had one really strong arm. I guess it does happen, right.
Speaker 1:But, like having strength, there's difference between strength and flexibility. So like, if you're like insanely jacked, I wonder if it affects your mobility at all. We should talk to Ethan Garza about this, our friend, who's the baster most than Seattle Symphony, who's just like a bodybuilder and ridiculous If that affects anything. But he'll probably say it just makes him more awesome, knowing him.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean, I don't think, I don't think we we're qualified to answer this question, because what are you talking about? We're equally jacked on both arms. There you go.
Speaker 1:It's not a video pod yet so you can still explain how ripped we are. I hope that answers that person out in the universe is Trombone query Quite. Even he wrote even after years of daily practice. And you know it is funny looking at Trombone players because they often, if you, if you just have them stand up straight with their arms on their side, more often than not you see the left shoulder being a little bit higher.
Speaker 2:Yep and the right arm being longer.
Speaker 1:Those delts? Well, cool, I think that answers that question. And so, since we have a bone to pick, we should balance it out with a moment of gratitude. Absolutely so my moment of gratitude this week and I don't know if I've ever talked about this on the pod before so I think one really special thing and beautiful thing that the Pittsburgh Symphony does that I've gotten to play with them quite a bit as I've lived in here in Pittsburgh with my friends Jim Nova and Pete Sullivan and Jeff D, doug Rosenthal and of course, craig Knox on on Tuba.
Speaker 1:And, as you know, as many of you know, murray crew was the longtime bass trombonist of the Pittsburgh Symphony and in his prime, you know, arguably one of the most talented bass trombonist in the country. I know Nick was a big fan, he almost came here to study with him and Anyone that knew Murray. He was quite a character. We unfortunately lost him a bit early in his life a few years ago, but he was known for just being the life of the party, a pure extrovert. He'd always close down the bar with you, he'd always have a funny story, always never being serious, always making everybody laugh just larger than life personality, and I see that personality a lot in his son, ralph, who's one of my best friends here in Pittsburgh, a brilliant, brilliant person, and he for some reason in this totally fits Murray's personality. During every tuning note, every tuning A in the orchestra, he would always play a pedal D.
Speaker 2:Classic bass trombone move too.
Speaker 1:And not like Hydenit, pretty like. Here's my note. I'm warming up calibrating Intune and something really amazing that the Pittsburgh Symphony trombone section does Not all of them, but at least one of them every single time from now on until forever. As long as they're in the orchestra they play a pedal D. Now, ever since we lost Murray, and I got to join in on that a few times. Sometimes pedal Ds don't wanna come out first thing in the morning, but I just thought that was so neat and so carrying on his funny legacy. And you see these violists turn around, sometimes like what are they doing back there? And sometimes Jim Nova will play it and like this one's for you, murray, and it's just really cool. I got to tell Ralph that one day, his son, and that like I saw tears come in his eyes, like that really meant a lot to him. So if you ever go to a Pittsburgh Symphony concert which I highly recommend, make sure you're listening during the tuning note. You'll most likely hear that pedal D.
Speaker 2:That is a very. You told me that recently and I thought that was a more than perfect way to memorialize someone in a very while. It's not 100% subtle, it's relatively subtle. It's kind of an inside story slash joke. Yeah, it's just there and it's something quick and something you can do every day and that's nice. I like that. That is a feel good story, sebastian.
Speaker 1:You know, we feel good here, we feel good on the retreat. We get our anger out and then we feel good, because you know why.
Speaker 2:You know why why? Because hurt people hurt people.
Speaker 1:I like, when you really wanna get a message across, you gotta get really close to the microphone.
Speaker 2:Hey, everybody, listen up. This is Uncle Nick talking to you.
Speaker 1:Wait, hold on. This will be. This segment is called 10 Seconds of ASMR with Nick Schwartz.
Speaker 2:Hey kids, just remember, always eat your vegetables.
Speaker 1:We did talk about I think the very first Trombone retreat podcast, about how we would do a Trombone ASMR with Trombone sounds and spray bottles and stuff. We should do that sometime.
Speaker 2:The best sound is a really good bell. When you flick it it's like boing.
Speaker 1:Dude, my students at Duquesne University have gotten this inside joke thing in the studio now and they think it's hilarious and they do it in rehearsals now, where they just do the cling on the mouthpiece. All right. All right, that's a really high pitch and they think one of our conductors, who's a little older, can't hear it and so they'll just keep doing it. It's one of those things that someone will do it and you just kinda do a double take like where'd that come from, where'd they?
Speaker 2:and now they all do it and I'm just like guys, there's a trumpet player in the Met who has this one straight mute. How do you think he uses it to play? He just brings it in the pit because it has this one feature, which is when you go to like, you know, kind of screw in the mute you know I'm talking about to like tighten it in the corks somehow, squeak in his trumpet, and when I tell you it sounds like a screaming banshee, it is the loudest freaking sound, and he'll do it like, right when the applause starts, he'll just like twist it once and it's like, just like this really quick screech that is so freaking loud and it's like the first time you hear. It's terrifying.
Speaker 1:He's just doing it to be annoying, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And he doesn't just want to like that, like real quick, and then just like puts it down and pretends like nothing happened. We also have a horn player that can do this. You know, when you bop the mouthpiece with your hand, yeah He'll. He'll somehow like pull the mouthpiece just out a little bit and so he's it's kind of in the receiver, but it's like in his hand. And when he does that and pops it on it really hard, the sound it makes it sounds like a popping a cork, but like at like a hundred times volume. It's so freaking loud and I've never been able to replicate it.
Speaker 2:That's how you get your mouthpiece stuck. Well, that's why you hold it in your hands, and it's not quite in the receiver.
Speaker 1:But if it does, you go to howdandhornscom and you order that, one of those great mouthpiece puller outers. Puller outer, that's what's called. That's, that's the technical term. Well, my mother is here visiting and we're about to fly back to Texas. She's here. She came to see the last opera and of course I woke up and she'd like clean my entire kitchen and put up my Christmas tree with lights and oh my God I know and then gave me a lecture about the state of my kitchen. So it was like it was a win and a loss at the same time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you usually don't come out scot-free on those. It's never just like oh, I did this and you're not going to hear anything about it. We'll give that lady a hug from from Nicholas Robert Schwartz. Did you forget?
Speaker 1:your name for a second I did for a second, it's okay.
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